Building the Top Flite Giant Scale P-40 – P2 MPI Switch

This post is a continuation on the topic of the Top Flite P-40 ARF.  This time I wanted to just quickly show what we have done with the MPI switch that Kelly used in his first P-40.  We decided to install this same switch (which is undamaged) into the new bird but we were never happy with the location so we decided on a new position.

The MPI switch that Kelly purchased is the unit with dual HD switches, charge jacks and an integrated fuel dot.  It is a fairly massive piece of hardware and comes anodized in one of several colors.  Here’s a picture of the one we are working with:

 

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You may notice that this one has an added hole right above the word Miracle… we added that in order to better stabilize the switch plate as we had it mounted in an area that was very thin balsa and curved at that.  This was never a satisfactory configuration because of continued issues with it occasionally coming lose and the fact that it looked out of place on the side of a big war bird.  I have some other issues with the unit as well.  One that always confused me was why you would create a switch panel that has the switch “on” position being down when referenced to the lettering on the front panel??  The second is that the unit has a very complex shaped hole to mount it and MPI does not provide… not even for download… a template to cut the mounting hole for it.  It is a non-trivial task to cut a proper opening and the lip available around it that allows for a margin of error is extremely small.  This thing requires a bit of modeling skill just to get it mounted and that seems unnecessary to me.  To bad as the MPI switch products seem to be otherwise quite high quality.

Here’s what I consider to be the necessary tool to make yourself a template for this beast:

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This is a contour gauge, commonly used for transferring complex curves and the like in woodworking.  By pressing this against the side of the switch, the basic pattern can be transferred to card stock.  Do it again from the other side and make a few measurements to decide how far apart the two sides are and a basic template can be drawn and cut out such as the one below:

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This isn’t perfect but after transferring to the selected area of the airplane and a little work with a Rotozip bit results in this rough opening.  We had tested the fit and pre-drilled the mounting screw holes by the time of this pic:

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After that it’s just bit of clean up and the switch drops in to look like this (note this is flipped upside down from the last pic):

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When we are ready we will put the screws in place and all is well.  This area is under the planes “chin” at the back of the cowl where it will be easy to reach in and feel for the switches.  We were careful to arrange the panel so that forward on the switches represents “ON” and rearward is off.  Likewise we will make note of the charge jack polarity before the final buttoning up happens.

This location seems like an improvement over the side of the body just below and forward of the cockpit area that we used on the last plane.  That area is just light balsa sheeting while this one is ply and therefore much more sturdy.  The new location is also well hidden but still reasonably accessible.  Having placed fuel dots on the bottom of airplanes before I can attest that this mounting location will require much more care when fueling to avoid spillage but it is the best compromise between accessibility and functionality that we found available on this particular airplane.

Next up we will do some work mounting the canopy such that removal is possible when needed but it remains secure.

Next time we’ll do a bit of canopy work.

Building the Top Flite Giant Scale P-40 – P1 RotoFlow

Last winter my friend Kelly and I put together his Giant Scale P-40 ARF.  It flew and looked great.  Here’s a stock photo from Top Flite

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Unfortunately, in late summer the airplane made its last flight.  An engine out landing combined with some unfortunate tail winds combined to result in a badly damaged airplane.  The decision was made to replace the plane rather than attempt a rebuild

While I don’t plan on documenting the whole build, I thought it might be worth posting a bit on where we decided to make a few different choices of equipment or modifications from the reccomended.

One thing we decided on was the use of a JL Products 24 ounce RotoFlow gas tank.  Of course, the plane is not designed for this tank shape so some  modifications were in order.

First, in order to gain enough clearance we had to trim out the former at the back of the motorbox.  I should have taken a before and after picture but all I got was an after.  The part that was removed was an inverted “T” shape that I’ve outlined in this picture.

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Secondly, the tank neck and overflow won’t quite fit in the forward bulkhead just behind the firewall, so a “V” cut was made as seen here:

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Once that is done, the tank fits nicely and with a minimum of padding will be a nice snug fit.  This modification was done on on the first plane and now on the second.  Here is the current plane during the tank fitting today.

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Next time, I’ll go over the switch installation change we decided on for the new airplane.

Steve’s Green Models Jenny

Sometimes I hit a lull in my own building and repair efforts and often that’s because my buddies need my help or just a place to work on some airplanes and I have enough open table space in the shop to let them leave a project sitting between sessions.  There aren’t very many RC airplane projects I don’t enjoy working on or at least lending a hand with and as long as I’m not in a rush to get some critical repair done on one of my own planes it just gives me a chance to see some more airplanes and learn something new.

Lately I’ve been busy with other things so haven’t done much work on my own planes, but have had a few of my buddies projects brewing in the shop.  One such recent project was this Green Models Jenny.  Now available through Maxford.  I found their website at www.maxfordusa.com.

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This is 38″ wingspan electric that had been languishing at the local hobby store for a while before the new owner decided to make Steve an offer he couldn’t refuse in order to get it off his shelves.  After unpacking it and admiring the beautiful structural work, transparent covering and all the guy wiring and control lines… we started out to assemble it.  Immediately deciding we should just glue the tail surfaces in place rather than rely on just the screws (which didn’t seem to hold it very tightly) we mixed up some epoxy and got it all aligned and settled in place.  Of course we then quickly decided that the wing seemed to be meant to be put in place from the tail forward… OOOPS!  Well, with a bit of cursing and removing the struts we managed to do it from the front and all was well.  Hey, we were working without full instructions and gathering what info we could easily find on the web… and all’s well since the result look pretty good!

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The pull-pull system employed for all of the tail surfaces is actually a method I prefer and it is very light, so ideal for a small electric like this.  Assembling them was a bit of a pain, but hopefully you only do that once so it should work out.  We managed to break one of the “wires” connecting the wings whilst assembling the model but repair with a bit of thread was pretty simple so no big deal there.  Steve found some larger but still appropriate looking wheels and the motor seemed to get warm quickly with the stock propeller but tests with something a bit smaller seemed promising.  We also noticed that every bolt and nut holding the wings together would practically fall off immediately without a bit of thread lock so that has been taken care of as well.  I’d consider buying a set of small (I guess these might be 2-56) nylon insert aircraft type nuts but the the thread lock should work for now.

It’ll probably be a few weeks ’till we get a chance to go get a maiden flight but based on thrust tests in the shop and reports I’ve seen on line, I expect good flying.  I’ll post an update and hopefully some in flight or at least day of flight photos whenever that happens

Conversion of Robart retracts from Air to Electric for the Top Flite P51

After the “off-airport” landing of my Mustang a while back, I decided that it was time to get the retracts working.  I had them in the plane (locked down) for several flights and they did not appreciably change the flying characteristics of the plane and seemed at least as capable as the wire gear in absorbing light to moderately bumpy landings.  I hope I’m beyond hard landings unless a mechanical issue arises so hoping I can avoid any truly hard landings in the future.

Of course, these retracts were bought in 2004 and were built to be run by air but I had pretty much made the decision when I assembled the bird that they were going to have to be converted to electric use.  The area where the air tank would normally go was filled with padding and batteries and pretty well buried anyway so the conversion was a given if retracts were ever to be functional.  The retracts got a little minor repair and have been removed from the wing anyway since a new wing is on order!  The current wing is fixable but a fair amount of crushed wood and cracks in the main spar convinced me it would be easier and maybe smarter to just get a new one.

After taking a little time to replenish the piggy bank, I ordered the complete main and tail wheel conversion kits from Robart via my favorite local hobby shop.  A week or two later I had them in my hands and I sat down at the bench to get started.  This will give you an idea what the kit looks like for the mains.

 

 

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Here is what the starboard main looks like before the conversion and then after….

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I found the instructions to be above average but the one part that was not spelled out clearly is that there is a difference in the two replacement trunnions.  At least I didn’t notice it being mentioned anywhere.  There is a right and a left and if you use the wrong one you end up with what is pictured above!  Yep, I had a 50/50 chance and I chose unwisely.  Oh, the retract works great… if you want the wheel to thrust upward through the wing instead of dropping down below it!!  Hah!

So I got to take it all apart again and do it a second time.  I was getting pretty good at it by then and hadn’t yet put the thread lock on it since I’ve done a bit of modeling before and pretty much knew that I’d mess it up somehow.  It took another 20 minutes or so but then all seemed good and worked pretty well… mostly.

The next problem I had was that occasionally one of the retracts would slow down to about half speed or just outright stop completely.  Since this system was designed to stop at the end of travel solely by sensing the increase in current draw caused by the increase in physical resistance, I concluded that the controller has no way to know the difference between end of travel and any other major increase in mechanical resistance.  I tried a little lubrication (WD-40) and that certainly helped but one retract would still stop in mid stroke on occasion.  After loosening the screws up a bit and exercising things I re-tightened and apparently the better alignment that resulted has resolved the issue.  I still have not applied thread lock as I’m saving that for the final install once I insure everything is well when they are mounted in the new wing.  Unfortunately, Top-Flite has not been as quick to send out a new wing as Robart was at sending the conversion kits so this last test fitting will have to wait for a while yet.

The tail wheel kit is much simpler.  Here is the kit as it came out of the package.

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After the mains, the tail gear presented no challenge at all.  The only gotcha, which IS clearly spelled out is the possibility to set the controller to the wrong “type” for this retract with the possibility of burning out the motor.  Read carefully and follow instructions and you should not have problems.  I didn’t!

One final warning is that the actuator wires that enter near the clevis pin actually interfere with the insertion of the pin.  You can see the issue here.

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A bit of judicious wiggling and a bit of push on the wires to help them clear the pin is all that is necessary to avoid the wires and since they are protected with a sleeve of some sort it does not appear that rubbing will be a problem down the road.

That’s about all there is to say beyond what is clearly documented in the instructions that come in the kit(s).  For about $300 you get what seems to be a bit simpler system which should result in some improved reliability.  I have heard that some are unhappy with the ~10 second time for the gear to fully retract or extend but I like the smooth action better than the usual slap and clunk actions I have seen from many air systems.  This time can be somewhat decreased or increased by feeding the system higher or lower voltage.

I plan to feed mine direct from the flight battery/receiver voltage as the system uses little current and I am carrying 2 x 2300mah A123s so battery capacity is not a big issue for me.  I supply the ignition from these same batteries using an Ultra IBEC and even so I’ve been flying 6 or more flights between charges with no issue.  At worst I expect to charge every 4 or 5 flights with the new added load.  I’ll keep an eye on battery capacity and usage for a bit to see how that goes.